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December 13, 2004

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Christopher Davis

Given the Salvation Army's policies (for example, pulling out of San Francisco because of their requirement that organizations contracting with the city give domestic partner benefits) I'd rather boycott them.

(It's like the BSA case in the Supreme Court; "yes, you won, and the decision is that you can exclude who you want to exclude...and so the United Way can exclude the BSA from their fundraising, by the same token.")

pericat

This is from the bantarget.org link:

"... you are also depriving me the opportunity to teach my children generosity of spirit."

I confess myself boggled to think that the only way the writer has come up with to teach children generosity is to once a year drop a few coins in a bellringer's kettle, at a specific location no less.

I can come up with several reasons to avoid Target (big box store, giant parking lots, local small-merchant depression...), but this says a whole lot more about the writer's meanness of spirit than it does to persuade me to their cause.

Mary Kay

Christopher: I ran across references to the SA's anti-homosexual stand while researching this but didn't incorporate it into the article because I didn't know enough about it to judge how much weight to give various commenters. Couldn't find anything on the SA web page, but I guess you wouldn't expect to find a link entitled Our Bigotries.

Pericat: That really was boggling wasn't it. However, knowing how inarticulate the general public can be (esp. when compared to sf fans) I assumed that what the writer really meant was that he/she was deprived of one opportunity among many. I hope that's what that meant. Tis the season to be charitable after all...

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I'd boycott both of them:

Target Corp political donations:
26% to Dems 73% to 'Thugs (translated to $81,792 to Dems $229,649 to 'Thugs)

(from Choose the Blue)

hamletta

There's something else going on here. Target isn't the only big chain that doesn't allow bell-ringers: Best Buy, Home Depot, and one other I can't remember also don't allow them. But the Crazy Christians™ have specifically targeted Target.

I think it started with Hugh Hewitt. I saw an item a week or so ago where he was spearheading it, and trashed them because they're doing a special holiday fund drive for St. Jude's Hospital for Sick Children, which does a lot of important research on childhood cancer and other life-threatening diseases. He insinuated that they'd picked St. Jude's in lieu of SA because it's "pseudo-religious" or some such crap.

Of course, they have a bunch of Hollywood Libruls doing promo spots for the drive, so obviously it is the work of the devil. Even though it benefits kids with leukemia. And the Hollywood connection dates back to Danny Thomas in the '50s.

Um, yeah....

KidRanger

I know Target is in the red column on the "Buy Blue" list, but I also know that the fundies are behind the "Boycott Target for the Salvation Army" putsch.

I have personally moved Target into the "blue" column for the following reasons:

#1 - spouse used to shop at WalMart; just made the switch to Target. Don't want any backsliding.

#2 - Target donates a very substantial sum of money to both of the schools my children attend, and to local charities.

#3 - Donations to Republicans under 80% (not great, but not as bad as others)

#4 - Anybody the fundies are boycotting will get the lion's share of my purchases.

Colorado Mom

omg! Mary K. Kare you are right on the money!

Thank you for writing this!

About a month ago I accidentally tuned into a Reich-Wing AM radio station - and there were callers urging Target boycotts because of Target's "support" of homosexuals (does Target offer domestic-partner benefits?) and the Salvation Army prohibition.


I have no doubt that the Salvation Army thing is just a fake issue - the real reasons for bringing down Target are:

Target's immense support of public schools;
Target's fair and unionize labor practices;
Target's domestic-partner benefits, if they offer them;

and Target's competition with Walmart, who is in lockstep with the Bush&Co Fascists.

But most of those idiot "Christian" sheep who boycott Target think they are doing it because Target booted the Salvation Army.

Well done, Mary!

Dan Holzman

Perhaps the way to go is give Target your business, and then write to target and explain to them that they have earned your business by standing up to the Salvation Army. Go on to point out that since the right wing is now behind the Target boycott, perhaps this would be a good time for them to reconsider how they spend their political donation dollars.

Paul in LA

Target's $R political donations may be mostly to local candidates, unlike large Bush donors who definitely need boycotting (like Walmart).

I appreciate this posting (and Sideshow for getting me here), since boycotting is a tool that needs to be used cautiously.

Let's hope it backfires for the wingers. Target has considerable low-income shopper loyalty, and, as noted, strong support from local schools. That may locally outweigh corporate donations.

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Paul in LA

Target's $R political donations may be mostly to local candidates, unlike large Bush donors who definitely need boycotting (like Walmart).

I appreciate this posting (and Sideshow for getting me here), since boycotting is a tool that needs to be used cautiously.

Let's hope it backfires for the wingers. Target has considerable low-income shopper loyalty, and, as noted, strong support from local schools. That may locally outweigh corporate donations.

--

Hillary's Panties

This is total bullshit and you Salvation Army hates are one large group of ignorant fuck ups. The truth is that fag groups have been going after the Salvation Army here in Minnesota. One large case has ended up in court.

One group called "Celebration Army," solicited using red kettles to fund meals for people afflicted with HIV-AIDS. The Salvation Army filed suit in the U.S. District Court in Minneapolis on Oct. 11 to stop the parody.

The Salvation Army has been doing good work for years and if someone else's values down play Christian values than you prick liberals all stand and cheer and we have another American culture ritual torn down. It makes me sick. Do you nut jobs think that the NAACP should be forced to allow KKK members? Hell no.

The bottom line is that Target gave into these fudgepackers and their hate America first religions racisim.

Will the Salvation Army loose money? Of course they will. A year of planning can not replace the millions that are lost. Money needed to FEED THE NEEDY!

Yes boycott Target. Boycott these leftist pricks. Happy Holidays my butt. It's called Christmas because of Christ's birth not because some limp wristers wanted to decorate a tree for their gerbils. Get over and boycott Target!

Minutemen United

Let's Boycott Target Stores as They ''Target'' Salvation Army Bell-ringers

Minutemen United are calling for a Boycott of all Target Department stores as a result of their recent corporate decision to no longer permit the Salvation Army bell-ringers access to their stores. Citing a "long-standing 'no solicitation' policy at all of our stores" the decision is expected to cost the Salvation Army nearly $9 million dollars that the organization uses to feed the needy in America.

Please understand, this is not about the Salvation Army and whether or not one approves of their positions. This debate is nothing more than anti-Christian bias being displayed by Target. Target, which has been under pressure from homosexual groups to kick out the Salvation Army because of the charity's refusal to subsidize homosexual relationships, responded to requests for comment with this written statement: "We receive an increasing number of solicitation inquiries from nonprofit organizations each year and determined that if we continue to allow the Salvation Army to solicit, then it opens the door to other groups that wish to solicit our guests." We believe this is an attempt to cover for Target's hostility towards Christianity.

We have had repeated discussions with Target Corporate over their position, and have informed them that we will be "targetting" various stores in the Columbus area for demonstrations against their policies. They seem unconcerned about our complaints.

We are planning rally's for December 18th at various stores in the Columbus area. We will notify you of details at a later time.

Action Point

Notify Target Stores of your intentions to not shop there this Christmas:

Main Switchboard:
(800) 440-0680

Email:
Guest.Relations@target.com

interested

Unfortunately for many of you, you have failed to uncover the truth.

The Salvation did not ever "pull out" of San Francisco. They were there feeding the homeless and providing shelter to victims of domestic violence just this morning. The final words on the mission statement read this way: "to meet human needs in his (God) name without discrimination." The Target ban was not supported by the Salvation Army. There is no other charitable organization with as good a record as the Army as far as handling funds. Read, people. You are being the judgers here. Unfortunate. You could probably be helping.

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